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		<title>By: dukesux</title>
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		<dc:creator>dukesux</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Jun 2009 22:31:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>UNC is the best all time but I don&#039;t know if the starters for next season can live up to that reputation.</description>
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		<title>By: dukesux</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Jun 2009 22:29:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>henderson is overrated and ellington is underrated</description>
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		<title>By: The Best Of Linked And Loaded 6/10 - 6/14 I Was In Vegas &#124; Paneech</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Best Of Linked And Loaded 6/10 - 6/14 I Was In Vegas &#124; Paneech</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jun 2009 03:40:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] The Fifth Corner takes an in-depth look at why people hate Duke teams. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: HeelYes!</title>
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		<dc:creator>HeelYes!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Jun 2009 23:19:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Duke article mentioned lists a surprising number of transfered players from the Duke program. It is interesting to see the author consider such trends as incidental, even if consequential. The author fails to acknowledge or question WHY so many players have left Duke. I hope others agree my post above provides a few answers. 

Among other things I was also struck by the manner in which he argued Carolina&#039;s 2005 team might&#039;ve been more lucky than good in winning the title. Somehow, a balanced perspective might elude him. That &#039;05 team had a tough road to the Final Four and then had to beat that season&#039;s overwhelming #1 ranked Illini less than a 100 miles from their campus. A little luck is always needed to win the big dance because it is so darn tough to win it, but the &#039;05 team deserved more respect, even from someone so partial.  

Regarding Duke&#039;s decline, it was curious that the author decided to blame Duke&#039;s lack of recent NCAA success on the players recruited or not recruited to the program. Doesn&#039;t it come down to talent AND coaching? I&#039;m reminded of the saying: &quot;Denial ain&#039;t just a river in Egypt.&quot; 

All too often Coach K has blamed his own players for a loss rather than give full credit to the opponent and accept responsibility himself. This is one of the ways his particular meglomania reveals itself during press conferences. It shouldn&#039;t be much of a surprise then that the people worshipping at his basketball altar have adopted a similar philosophy of blaming the players for losses and crediting the coaches for the wins. That&#039;s just coolaid they don&#039;t serve at Carolina - if we ever had a coach who did, we&#039;d lose something very special.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Duke article mentioned lists a surprising number of transfered players from the Duke program. It is interesting to see the author consider such trends as incidental, even if consequential. The author fails to acknowledge or question WHY so many players have left Duke. I hope others agree my post above provides a few answers. </p>
<p>Among other things I was also struck by the manner in which he argued Carolina&#8217;s 2005 team might&#8217;ve been more lucky than good in winning the title. Somehow, a balanced perspective might elude him. That &#8217;05 team had a tough road to the Final Four and then had to beat that season&#8217;s overwhelming #1 ranked Illini less than a 100 miles from their campus. A little luck is always needed to win the big dance because it is so darn tough to win it, but the &#8217;05 team deserved more respect, even from someone so partial.  </p>
<p>Regarding Duke&#8217;s decline, it was curious that the author decided to blame Duke&#8217;s lack of recent NCAA success on the players recruited or not recruited to the program. Doesn&#8217;t it come down to talent AND coaching? I&#8217;m reminded of the saying: &#8220;Denial ain&#8217;t just a river in Egypt.&#8221; </p>
<p>All too often Coach K has blamed his own players for a loss rather than give full credit to the opponent and accept responsibility himself. This is one of the ways his particular meglomania reveals itself during press conferences. It shouldn&#8217;t be much of a surprise then that the people worshipping at his basketball altar have adopted a similar philosophy of blaming the players for losses and crediting the coaches for the wins. That&#8217;s just coolaid they don&#8217;t serve at Carolina &#8211; if we ever had a coach who did, we&#8217;d lose something very special.</p>
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		<title>By: AEM</title>
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		<dc:creator>AEM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Jun 2009 13:10:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Debbie: You are going to be hard pressed to see me saying anything bad about Tyler. I loved his passion, work ethic and the way he portrayed himself as a Tar Heel. I quoted what the piece said and tried to make sense of it, but unfortunately there is no sense to it.

HeelYes: Again, I keep re reading your points and you did a heck of a job breaking it all down!

UNCFan: I have no doubt that all programs go up and down, my only thoughts was that the piece tried to make Duke look good in a way that right now they can not. If Coach K takes on the USA Team I dont see them improving at all.

AEM</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Debbie: You are going to be hard pressed to see me saying anything bad about Tyler. I loved his passion, work ethic and the way he portrayed himself as a Tar Heel. I quoted what the piece said and tried to make sense of it, but unfortunately there is no sense to it.</p>
<p>HeelYes: Again, I keep re reading your points and you did a heck of a job breaking it all down!</p>
<p>UNCFan: I have no doubt that all programs go up and down, my only thoughts was that the piece tried to make Duke look good in a way that right now they can not. If Coach K takes on the USA Team I dont see them improving at all.</p>
<p>AEM</p>
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		<title>By: TheUNCFan</title>
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		<dc:creator>TheUNCFan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Jun 2009 12:08:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lucked out? Was Duke&#039;s run in the late 90s/early 00s luck, too? All teams have their ups and downs. Duke was up while UNC was going through its coaching transitions. Now UNC is up while Duke is rebuilding. State is on the way up after a spell in the second division. It&#039;s just the nature of sports. If we&#039;re lucky, it&#039;s being spoiled by having such a good team like UNC.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lucked out? Was Duke&#8217;s run in the late 90s/early 00s luck, too? All teams have their ups and downs. Duke was up while UNC was going through its coaching transitions. Now UNC is up while Duke is rebuilding. State is on the way up after a spell in the second division. It&#8217;s just the nature of sports. If we&#8217;re lucky, it&#8217;s being spoiled by having such a good team like UNC.</p>
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		<title>By: Style Points &#187; Friday Morning Roundup</title>
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		<dc:creator>Style Points &#187; Friday Morning Roundup</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Jun 2009 11:28:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Need a reason to justify your Duke hate? [The Fifth Corner] [...]</description>
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		<title>By: DEBBIE</title>
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		<dc:creator>DEBBIE</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Jun 2009 01:25:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>TYLER IS THE BEST THING TO HAPPEN TO UNC AND COACH WILLIAMS.  HE WAS A BEAST ON THE BOARDS AND A SUPERSTAR FOR THAT PROGRAM AND HE WILL BE A SUPERSTAR IN THE NBA.  WHERE WILL KYLE SINGLER BE NEXT YEAR? NOWHERE THAT&#039;S WHERE.  TYLER IS ONE IN A MILLION AND FOR ALL YOU HATERS OF PSYCHO T, HE WILL PROVE EVERYONE WRONG.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>TYLER IS THE BEST THING TO HAPPEN TO UNC AND COACH WILLIAMS.  HE WAS A BEAST ON THE BOARDS AND A SUPERSTAR FOR THAT PROGRAM AND HE WILL BE A SUPERSTAR IN THE NBA.  WHERE WILL KYLE SINGLER BE NEXT YEAR? NOWHERE THAT&#8217;S WHERE.  TYLER IS ONE IN A MILLION AND FOR ALL YOU HATERS OF PSYCHO T, HE WILL PROVE EVERYONE WRONG.</p>
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		<title>By: AEM</title>
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		<dc:creator>AEM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Jun 2009 00:52:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great, great post. All points spot on!

I re read it four or five time just to absorb all the info you put into it!

AEM</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great, great post. All points spot on!</p>
<p>I re read it four or five time just to absorb all the info you put into it!</p>
<p>AEM</p>
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		<title>By: HeelYes!</title>
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		<dc:creator>HeelYes!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Jun 2009 23:29:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m all for opportunities that favorably compare Carolina to Duke because I happen to have a thorough disdain for Coach K and his sycophants in Durham. But, as wonderful as your sentiments are, I have to offer another perspective: Duke is experiencing a downturn right now but it is proably temporary. Just as some people were saying the game might&#039;ve passed Dean Smith by in the late &#039;80s when the Heels had a Final Four drought from &#039;82 through &#039;90 (despite some fantastic talent and a lot of wins in the regular season) so too is the case with Duke, as much as I wish and hope that indeed Coach K never returns to NCAA greatness. If you look at their &#039;10 roster and their ability to consistently be among the schools considered by top recruits, they simply can&#039;t be counted out yet (and I admit the fear of jinx if we proclaim &quot;Duke is Dead&quot; too soon). 

Now, having given Duke some benefit of the doubt, my reasons for the relative decline of the Duke program: 

1) Bad decisions for assistant coaches. Look at the bench in Durham versus Chapel Hill. If you were a big man, do you want Wojo or Chris Collins teaching you post moves? There are statesman on the bench who exude confidence in Chapel Hill and emotionally stunted sycophants that exude panic on the bench in Durham. Johnny Dawkins has all the charm of a pair of water-logged shoes. 

2) Duke doesn&#039;t have a great track record with developing players and putting them in great position for the next level. Duke has seen Josh McRoberts (correctly identified in the above article as the highest rated PF  - above Hansbrough - in the &#039;05 class) unadvisedly bolt the program for the NBA. The same thing with Shavlik Randolph, another top player. Each of these and other early-NBA entrants and transfers sent signals there is discord within the Duke program. The defections of McRoberts and Randolph both seemed more about getting out of Duke than about pursuing NBA riches from a position of advantage (neither player was considered truly ready for the NBA at the time and each made their announcement to the surprise of observers). 

3) Coach K is not loyal to his players - and its showing up now in his inability to recruit great players. This is debatable, of course, but I&#039;ve always had the feeling Coach K wants to use loyalty as a PR tool, not as the guiding philosophy of his program. There are many examples over the years of highly touted underclassmen (remember Ricky Price?) who seem to lose support of their coach as they become juniors and seniors. The latest example is the career of Greg Paulus. Being relegated to the bench and a redundant after-thought with damaged confidence as a senior simply would&#039;ve NEVER happened at Carolina. Smith, Guthridge, Doherty and Williams would&#039;ve never allowed such a talented player and team leader to be treated thusly as a senior. The Carolina Way includes the old Native American attage &quot;use all the parts of the buffalo.&quot; No player is a wasted resource at Carolina but the road out of Durham is littered with the waste of talented underclassman who found a cold shoulder and a torpedoed career from Coach K the moment it suited him. 
 
4) Coach K does not develop his bench. Even when they have 8 or 9 McDonald&#039;s AA&#039;s, Duke usually has a 6-7 player rotation and this is one reason some commentators have provided for their stumbles at the end of the season compared with the start and middle. I&#039;m not sure how much I buy this argument since tired legs are an over-rated reason for Duke stumbles of late, but I think the combination of opponents seeing game tape of Duke and learning more how to beat them along with Coach K&#039;s failure to get his team peaking late in the season with a deep bench of confident players is the story here. 

No matter what the reason, what is most clear is few things in life can give we Carolina fans as much pleasure as the period we enjoy now: the afterglow of another Carolina NCAA Championship and the knowledge that sour grapes are becoming a steady diet in the basketball program at Duke. 

Now, if we could just see Dick Vitale retire we&#039;d really be enjoying a sea change in the buzz surrounding Duke basketball.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m all for opportunities that favorably compare Carolina to Duke because I happen to have a thorough disdain for Coach K and his sycophants in Durham. But, as wonderful as your sentiments are, I have to offer another perspective: Duke is experiencing a downturn right now but it is proably temporary. Just as some people were saying the game might&#8217;ve passed Dean Smith by in the late &#8217;80s when the Heels had a Final Four drought from &#8217;82 through &#8217;90 (despite some fantastic talent and a lot of wins in the regular season) so too is the case with Duke, as much as I wish and hope that indeed Coach K never returns to NCAA greatness. If you look at their &#8217;10 roster and their ability to consistently be among the schools considered by top recruits, they simply can&#8217;t be counted out yet (and I admit the fear of jinx if we proclaim &#8220;Duke is Dead&#8221; too soon). </p>
<p>Now, having given Duke some benefit of the doubt, my reasons for the relative decline of the Duke program: </p>
<p>1) Bad decisions for assistant coaches. Look at the bench in Durham versus Chapel Hill. If you were a big man, do you want Wojo or Chris Collins teaching you post moves? There are statesman on the bench who exude confidence in Chapel Hill and emotionally stunted sycophants that exude panic on the bench in Durham. Johnny Dawkins has all the charm of a pair of water-logged shoes. </p>
<p>2) Duke doesn&#8217;t have a great track record with developing players and putting them in great position for the next level. Duke has seen Josh McRoberts (correctly identified in the above article as the highest rated PF  &#8211; above Hansbrough &#8211; in the &#8217;05 class) unadvisedly bolt the program for the NBA. The same thing with Shavlik Randolph, another top player. Each of these and other early-NBA entrants and transfers sent signals there is discord within the Duke program. The defections of McRoberts and Randolph both seemed more about getting out of Duke than about pursuing NBA riches from a position of advantage (neither player was considered truly ready for the NBA at the time and each made their announcement to the surprise of observers). </p>
<p>3) Coach K is not loyal to his players &#8211; and its showing up now in his inability to recruit great players. This is debatable, of course, but I&#8217;ve always had the feeling Coach K wants to use loyalty as a PR tool, not as the guiding philosophy of his program. There are many examples over the years of highly touted underclassmen (remember Ricky Price?) who seem to lose support of their coach as they become juniors and seniors. The latest example is the career of Greg Paulus. Being relegated to the bench and a redundant after-thought with damaged confidence as a senior simply would&#8217;ve NEVER happened at Carolina. Smith, Guthridge, Doherty and Williams would&#8217;ve never allowed such a talented player and team leader to be treated thusly as a senior. The Carolina Way includes the old Native American attage &#8220;use all the parts of the buffalo.&#8221; No player is a wasted resource at Carolina but the road out of Durham is littered with the waste of talented underclassman who found a cold shoulder and a torpedoed career from Coach K the moment it suited him. </p>
<p>4) Coach K does not develop his bench. Even when they have 8 or 9 McDonald&#8217;s AA&#8217;s, Duke usually has a 6-7 player rotation and this is one reason some commentators have provided for their stumbles at the end of the season compared with the start and middle. I&#8217;m not sure how much I buy this argument since tired legs are an over-rated reason for Duke stumbles of late, but I think the combination of opponents seeing game tape of Duke and learning more how to beat them along with Coach K&#8217;s failure to get his team peaking late in the season with a deep bench of confident players is the story here. </p>
<p>No matter what the reason, what is most clear is few things in life can give we Carolina fans as much pleasure as the period we enjoy now: the afterglow of another Carolina NCAA Championship and the knowledge that sour grapes are becoming a steady diet in the basketball program at Duke. </p>
<p>Now, if we could just see Dick Vitale retire we&#8217;d really be enjoying a sea change in the buzz surrounding Duke basketball.</p>
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